Full Scale split

[Chantel]

I'd like to separate "composition" from "performance". Write whatever you want to drugs - great things have come from drugs (Bill Hicks' monologue from Nucleus's "Third Eye"), but as you should know Luis performing music is a personal experience. If you want the audience to connect with the music, how can you expect them to if you're not being yourself?

You're separating performance from composition...

Composition isn't a "personal experience"?

I've connected with a lot of people (who may or may not be as well) whilst being on drugs too. Not all drugs turn you into a reclusive self centered weirdo.

Some drugs can actually heighten your awareness of the situation you're in, making you see it from another angle that you wouldn't necessarily look at it from while sober and self conscious.

I have found that drugs DO NOT change the person you are, but just tap in more acutely to certain parts of your personality.
It is well documented how the mood that you are in prior to taking a drug greatly affects the physical, mental and emotional effects of the chosen drug

[Hitman]

I would like to know as well...what mindset?

People have been getting off their faces and writing music for like um eons...

I don't think you need to take drugs to write music, but alot of artists have written some amazing shit whilst off their noggins...

I agree. I realise it's not a new thing. I've even written songs whilst tremendously intoxicated and not remembered writing them the day after. Different to "drugs" I know.

But's its one thing to use drugs to perform and the such and another to need them. There's an obvious line that is crossed from recreation to addicition, but the mindset I was implying was that it's seen as acceptablel to NEED drugs eg ezekiel ox

And why shouldn't it be?

[Hitman]

Maybe "being yourself" is the wrong term, how about "in an altered state of consciousness".

Isn't that what music is about?

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mike Patton as a poster-boy for the no-drugs side. Patton claims the only drug he does is caffiene.

Why are you surprised?
I'm not advocating drug use in relation to music either way.
Each to their own.
Caffeine is a drug BTW...

The mighty Frank Zappa is another hero of mine who's only drugs of choice were coffee and cigarettes...

And I think a prime example of glorified drug users is Pete Doherty. People seem to love this smacked out loser, and his music is bad, there seems to be nothing good about his music, yet he's performing with Elton John.

I've never heard of this fag, but if he's playing with Elton John, the fact that he's a drug addict doesn't surprise me...

And yeah, Full Scale still suck, whether they're on drugs or not.

Exactly my point.
The fact that they suck has nothing to do with drugs...

[Hitman]

yeh it's funny I view drugs alot more loosely....caffeine and alcohol are definately drugs and you can hear or see the things whilst created under its "influence"

Yeah, what about all the people who need a cup of coffee in order to function in the morning?
Are we judging them too?

I agree if you are a bad muso your music will still be bad but one cannot listen to The Doors, Hendrix, Pink Floyd and not acknowledge the affects of drugs in their music....

Yep.
And the fact that they might have needed drugs to compose or perform their music does not have to take away from our respect for them.

[Hitman]

I remember this from a while back:

Nick Cave scored a win for rock 'n' roll over health and safety laws after refusing to perform in London without beer an smokes.

As he walked onstage at Alexandra Palace, he was stopped by a security guard who said his tinnie and fags were against the venue's rules. Cave refused to perform and, after an awkward wait, venue authorities backed down.

Taken from the DailyTelegraph

I have more contempt for this prima donna wanker.
Nick Cave is a selfish prick, who obviously has no concern over the health of his fans.
At least the fag from Full Scale is only harming himself...

[Hitman]

I'd like to separate "composition" from "performance". Write whatever you want to drugs - great things have come from drugs (Bill Hicks' monologue from Nucleus's "Third Eye"), but as you should know Luis performing music is a personal experience. If you want the audience to connect with the music, how can you expect them to if you're not being yourself?

You're separating performance from composition...

Composition isn't a "personal experience"?

I've connected with a lot of people (who may or may not be as well) whilst being on drugs too. Not all drugs turn you into a reclusive self centered weirdo.

Some drugs can actually heighten your awareness of the situation you're in, making you see it from another angle that you wouldn't necessarily look at it from while sober and self conscious.

I have found that drugs DO NOT change the person you are, but just tap in more acutely to certain parts of your personality.
It is well documented how the mood that you are in prior to taking a drug greatly affects the physical, mental and emotional effects of the chosen drug

Very good point Channy.
Drugs often allow you to be a more honest representation of who you are...

[Stasswardo]

Very good point Channy.
Drugs often allow you to be a more honest representation of who you are...

very true

[Chantel]

I've never heard of this fag, but if he's playing with Elton John, the fact that he's a drug addict doesn't surprise me...

That's beautiful, honey!!

[Hitman]

What do you mean?

[Chantel]

You made me

for reals and stuff.....and things